(closed) Roadmap - iso size

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(closed) Roadmap - iso size

PostPosted by blaze » Thu May 04, 2017 12:31 am

First I want ot take one step back and say that I consider the ARCHLab iso something that is to be installed, more than a live iso session tool. What I mean is that the user will install/uninstall applications depending on personal preferences.Generally speaking I am of the one task, one tool skool. Possibly with one command line in addition. :)

In that context I wonder if it really is necessary to have a full office suite on the iso? Maybe it would be enough with Libre writer?Do we need all these different media players? GIMP? More than one browser?
All these big things are all easily installed and would shave off quite a lot of the iso. In comparison, the BunsenLabs “Hydrogen” iso 64 bit is 843 M.

There is also the possibility to move some of these big size applications to a welcome script, and so they will become easily accessible post install.And yes, I am very pro a welcome script like that in BL, exactly what it should or should not include is open for debate I guess. That is what we have these forums for after all ;)

The most important thing though (imho), is that you, the dev team, do what you want and consider the best choice for ARCHLabs. It has worked very well so far. We got proof! :D

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Re: Roadmap - iso size

PostPosted by erikdubois » Thu May 04, 2017 4:13 pm

These issues have been discussed between the archlabs team and will continue to be discussed.
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It will always be a struggle to find a balance.
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Re: Roadmap - iso size

PostPosted by blaze » Fri May 05, 2017 3:18 am

erikdubois wrote:When creating archlabs 4.0 we found it an ASSET to deliver a complete desktop experience.


Thanks for the fast reply erikdubois. Maybe this is what ARCHLabs should really be about. An Openbox Lab with a lot of possibilities for configuring after personal taste. It would be the trademark, or branding of it sort of. Bling up, bling down or something in betweeen. ;)

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Re: Roadmap - iso size

PostPosted by Brandini » Fri May 05, 2017 11:59 am

I know I'm new here , but I think Blaze has made an important observation.
First thing I do after installing ArchLabs is to install WPS ( Kingsoft ).
Then I install Terminator, which I see is installed in ArchLabs4 - great!

For web-browsers I stick with CyberFox and Opera, - I haven't used Chromium in years.

I am an artist/writer and my choice of software tends to reflect that.
I generally use Focuswriter for basic word-processing, though I think for most people Abiword , would likely be preferred.
Likewise, out goes xfBurn and in comes K3B.

Of course it's partly down to personal choice but one thing I consider essential is GIMP.
The developers of ArchLabs can't second-guess everyone though, and I would emphasize that I have been using Arch for a few years now.
I do think, though, that a full Office Suite , though commonly included in other distros may be unnecessary, in the sense that how many people outside an Office or academic environment use Libre Office, Spreadsheet, Drawing & Presentation packages?

None of this is criticism, by the way, the final product is sublime - and trust me, I'm a very hard guy to please.
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Re: Roadmap - iso size

PostPosted by erikdubois » Fri May 05, 2017 5:29 pm

@brandini - it is indeed impossible to please everyone - my personal preferences have not all been included as well.
I use focuswriter as well if I have to write a "lengthy" tutorial for my website.
We try to include applications with a general conscensus that they are a must-have...in the linux world.
Again this will differ between individuals and even between development members. And that is all good.
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Re: Roadmap - iso size

PostPosted by Addy » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:01 am

In my opinion, removing one browser is okay.
And if Firefox is removed, don't forget to remove its Flash Player too.
Replace it with Pepper Flash plugin for Chromium.

For video player, VLC alone is enough, it can play everything. If it can't play something, probably it's your file that broken (a savage tagline).
For music, I prefer RhythmBox. It's better at handling music library than Audicious & DeadBeeF.

For Office, no need to include a full suite.
Only writer, spreadsheet, and presentation are enough.
And I have a same thought with @brandini
First thing I do for office task is installing WPS Office.
And installing from AUR is really sloooow.

GIMP is essential,
and Inkscape & Imagemagick are dependencies for some apps, don't exclude them in the iso.

One text editor is enough, I prefer Geany.
It's easier to be used to edit conky & tint2 configs with Geany than Sublime.

Video editor don't need to be included by default.

But that's just my opinion.
And I don't mean to be offensive. I'm only giving suggestions.
As Monsieur Dubois said. It's impossible to please everyone.
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Re: Roadmap - iso size

PostPosted by Dobbie03 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:28 am

Addy wrote:In my opinion, removing one browser is okay.
And if Firefox is removed, don't forget to remove its Flash Player too.
Replace it with Pepper Flash plugin for Chromium.

For video player, VLC alone is enough, it can play everything. If it can play something, probably it's your file that broken (a savage tagline).
For music, I prefer RhythmBox. It's better at handling music library than Audicious & DeadBeeF.

For Office, no need to include a full suite.
Only writer, spreadsheet, and presentation are enough.
And I have a same thought with @brandini
First thing I do for office task is installing WPS Office.
And installing from AUR is really sloooow.

GIMP is essential,
and Inkscape & Imagemagick are dependencies for some apps, don't exclude them in the iso.

One text editor is enough, I prefer Geany.
It's easier to be used to edit conky & tint2 configs with Geany than Sublime.

Video editor don't need to be included by default.

But that's just my opinion.
And I don't mean to be offensive. I'm only giving suggestions.
As Monsieur Dubois said. It's impossible to please everyone.


Your suggestions aren't offensive. We will take them in to account, thanks for posting.
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