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(closed) Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:50 am

As soon as I'm under Linux with an graphical installer in the boot menu, I know that the distribution does not make it easy for me. But this time, I'd like to do it with success, because as I have experienced it under base Archlinux, I had to reinstall the system after every driver error because nothing could be displayed on my screen anymore. So I'm asking you, if this is perhaps the distribution that ran on my notebook, without problems with the graphic driver after the installation. This distribution, or probably the desktop interface is what i loved and missed from the Crunchbang times so far. Because there was so far no uncomplicated way of this again.

Boot Error (default)?

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FATAL Failed to start load Kernel Modules


The main Problem:

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Arch Linux Symbol

waiting for X server to begin accepting connections..
..
..
..
..
xinit : giving up
x server connection refused


Looks for me my Graphicdriver [Nvidia GTX 970M Optimus] isn't supported by X Server. If so, is there a way to integrate the Nvidia drivers into the Archlab.iso image?
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:23 am

i have seen a lot of post about optimus
that is one piece of hardware I WILL NOT BUY
cannot help you there - but if I read correctly -- archlabs installed just fine? Can you confirm?
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:46 am

Na, i plug my usb with the archlab.iso on one of my 4 USB 3.0 Pots, then it boots, and then when i select booting from the image for a live version/install it trys to load the X Environment and gives me a loop of ".." after saying "waiting x server for accapting connections"
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by blaze » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:00 am

Have you tried with the "abif" installer? How does the original BunsenLabs work for you?
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:01 am

erikdubois wrote:i have seen a lot of post about optimus
that is one piece of hardware I WILL NOT BUY


Yea right choice. I mean, at the beginning of my hollidays (last week) I was looking for a linux distribution that even works on my computer, means no graphical interface and a Kernel Version of 4.1 above. That means no Debian, Crunchbang... The only thing that would probably work is Ubuntu... but... i realy dont like the interface and that... I dont know, makes me feel uncomfy. I just hope i can install Archlinux with Openbox till the end of this week. And now I'm looking for a better solution of my problem by combining your archlabs image with the current nvidia drivers for my card so i dont need to erase my ssd over and over again.

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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:03 am

blaze wrote: How does the original BunsenLabs work for you?


Hm, my wlan card wont work with that Kernel.

Have you tried with the "abif" installer?


Don't know what that is, google cant find anything either... google: Did you mean AION hacks? :D
If it has some sort of graphical interface with X, it wont work.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by blaze » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:03 am

See the release announcement for info about "abif" here;

topic115.html
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:14 am

There must be a miss understanding, i dont even get to the point where i USE the live dekstop environment, i dont get the wallpaper, the icons and what else the only thing i get at the beginning of my screen is the Archlogo "made out of characters" and a message from the system that it cant load the live version of Openbox where i can install the System on my harddrive.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:39 am

I uploaded the course on youtube:
https://youtu.be/w6o-XAUvm-Y
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:09 pm

Your question has been reposted at the dev guys.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by Toola » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:34 pm

Hi Suoy,

When your at the prompt can you do a control+alt F2? Does that get you to a login shell?
Can you confirm please..

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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:45 pm

Oh, yes i can.
login is: liveuser

so, finnaly i have some controll.

One command is still not working for me:
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lspci

In every other terminal that command started a total freez of the system. Here it only blocks one terminal and you can go to another one, still strange why that happens.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:28 am

So currently I think what solves the problem, but not how i achieve it... How can i analyse it that it is realy the graphic driver and not something else which interrupts "x server" to load? - dmesg?
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:46 am

yes dmesg
journalctl, and the many logs in /var/logs...
that is where I run to if in trouble
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:22 am

erikdubois wrote:Your question has been reposted at the dev guys.


Where? Who? How can they help me?
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by blaze » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:24 pm

^@suoy, my guess is that the dev guys are those who actually put ARCHLabs togheter to what it is. So erik has made them aware of your problem, and who knows, maybe they will come up with something. :)
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:11 am

Suoy
can you get in touch with me on google hangouts
I would like you to have the latest build of Archlabs 3.5.8 and see if that helps you...
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:24 am

erikdubois wrote:Suoy
can you get in touch with me on google hangouts
I would like you to have the latest build of Archlabs 3.5.8 and see if that helps you...
till on google+


Roger that
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:27 am

So, i downloaded the ArchLabs Beta iso and wrote it on one of my usb's.

After the boot options it trys to load the System. This time it fails earlier at the beginning i got a "nouveau" error, after a second it quickly disapears and it forces to load the rest of the Kernel. But after it recheas the line:

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[ ok ] Reached target Grahical Interface


It stops and, well , doesnt go any further. After waiting 120 seconds i get this message:
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INFO: task kworker/u16:1:78 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
Tainted G      0        4.10.9-1-ARCH #1
"echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.


This, for now on, repeats.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:11 am

damn...
what was your hardware again?
use the inxi application with whatever you want to share

-- RE-EDIT what version did you try?
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:56 am

erikdubois wrote:damn...
what was your hardware again?
use the inxi application with whatever you want to share


ok, full report comin in some minutes.

-- RE-EDIT what version did you try?

archlabs-3.4.7-20 17.04.16, the latest Beta Version you recommended for the Beta Tester in the Google Community.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:35 am

Notebook: Schenker XMG P506 (in other Countrys known as Clevo)

PCI Devices
    - Intel Corporation Skylake
    - Host Bridge DRAM Registers
    - PCIe Controller (x16)
    - HD Graphics 530 [Module i915]
    - USB 3.0 (5x and only USB 3.0)
    - NVIDIA Coperation:GM204M [GeForce GTX 970M]
    - Realtek Semiconductor CO., Ltc.|RTL8411B PCI Express Card
    - Realtek Semiconductor CO., Ltc.|RTL8411B/8168/8411 PCI Express Card
    - Intel Corporation|Dual Band Wireless AC3165 (can be used for LTE, which i dont use)(only works for Kernel Version 4.1 and above)

DISKS
    - SDA -HDD- Samsung 1 TibiByte with Windows 10 (Preferd Win7, but its incompatible with my Hardware)
    - SDB -SSD- Intel 40 GibiByte, for Linux (always put the Grub Bootloader with the System on SDB)

MEMORY
    - SODIM DDR3 8192 MiB

PROCESSOR
    - Intel Core i7-6700HQ CPU
    - 4 Cores, 8 Threads

MOTHERBOARD
    - P65_P67RGRERA

BIOS
    - American Megatrends Inc.
    - Verison 1.05.07

Kernel Modules
    - i915 (VGA compatible controller)
    - intel_pch_thermal (Signal processing ctonrolle)
    - mei_me (Communication controller)
    - ahci (STATA controller)
    - snd_hda_intel (Audio device)
    - i2c_i801 (SMBus)
    - rtsx_pci (ff Unassigned class)
    - r8169 (Ethernet controller)
    - iwlwifi (Network controller)
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:40 am

suoy wrote:DISKS
    - SDA -HDD- Samsung 1 TibiByte with Windows 10 (Preferd Win7, but its incompatible with my Hardware)
    - SDB -SSD- Intel 40 GibiByte, for Linux (always put the Grub Bootloader with the System on SDB)

MEMORY
    - SODIM DDR3 8192 MB


When i wrote that, something microsoftish came into my mind.... that you are not working with Windows who messes up the units and their Spellings ( MiB != MB) ^^
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:02 pm

get in touch with me on google hangouts
I can give you version 3.6.0 .. it might help...?
but I must warn you
I think it is a long-shot
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:58 am

erikdubois wrote:get in touch with me on google hangouts
I can give you version 3.6.0 .. it might help...?
but I must warn you
I think it is a long-shot


i already sent you a chat rquest.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:16 am

i do not see any request
use https://plus.google.com/+ErikDubois
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:47 am

Damn, does the same thing again like the Beta .iso.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:14 am

Eventuely, is there an option that you can apply archlabs on a normal arch coppy on your harddrive. Like an upgrade with all the programs and desktop environment conf archlab has?
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:28 pm

If i understand you correctly --
you want to install arch base like this
http://erikdubois.be/how-to-install-arch-linux/
then install archlabs on it
you can go here
http://erikdubois.be/how-to-install-openbox-on-arch-linux/

Stop in time and get all the rest of the information then from here
https://github.com/ARCHLabs
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:27 am

Found this yesterday:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/feliz/

Textbased installer which, i don't know how, installs the graphic driver for my device. I'm not proud using the installer but jeez, sometimes i wana be able to have a system runing on my notebook where i can program some nice shell stuff, ive been realy waiting to be able to do that...

Setup is currently the base Arch System + Budgie. Play a bit with the system after some time i'll take a look forward to openbox, tin2 and conky.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:20 am

Well, seems like the system weren't in such a good shape as i thought, first KDE and then Budgie bugging arround. Somehow i managed to install Openbox, Openbox only. Does'nt freez or shutdown the system, but still, my dmesg log is full or red and shining white texte which doesnt look so good...
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:45 pm

could you copy/paste this shiny text
put it in pastebin and put a link here...
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:28 am

So today, I drove to the university in my nearby city and met an old friend who introduced me four other guys. One of them was the professor 2 others already had their doctor title, 3 of us, include me, were also in the ccc (chaos computer club) with me and so on, i felt like the dumbest person in the giant Readingroom XD.

Well, after some short time of inspecting my system, the other gave me choices.

- Flash the Bios, which means i couldn't use Windows anymore
- Buy 5 Thinkpads instead of that thing i currently have
- Use the current stable Debian Version / Ubuntu Version

At home I think about what I should do.
That last point made me think of an other solution, why does the Debian/Ubuntu Version work on my PC? Does they use my nvidia driver? I don't think so. That means that they use, for the install and the system the normal Intel Onboard Driver, which is totaly fine by me. I don't want to play games on the linux system or any hardware heavy programms. I just want to programm in shell, watching some youtube in Firefox and mess arround with the system.

Think I right?
Could there be a way to disable the nvidia graphiccard on boot? (And turning it on again)
Is there a graphic card usageorder? Like 1. Nvidia, 2. Intel?
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:15 pm

Sounds to me you have a 4th option
put it for sale on ebay...
half a joke and half a truth.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by blaze » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:33 am

suoy wrote:- Buy 5 Thinkpads instead of that thing i currently have


I am :twisted:
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by suoy » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:13 am

Well, that will teach me to chose my next graphic card more wisely. This will take a minimum of 3 years, but i will remember what Nvidia has let me go trough.
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Re: Problem with the graphical Boot Interface

PostPosted by erikdubois » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:45 pm

Hi, was reading your post again.
What about trying it again with ArchLabs Yoda?
The latest release
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